Interview with Dr. Peter McCullough: The Double Edged Fear of Covid-19

Dr. Julie Ponesse sits down with Dr. Peter McCullough for an in depth discussion on Covid-19 vaccines, mandates and the mass psychosis we are experiencing.


Dr. Peter McCullough is a board-certified specialist in internal medicine and cardiovascular diseases, focusing on the interface of heart and kidney disease. He has an MD from the University of Texas and completed his internal medicine residency at the University of Washington. He also has a master’s degree in public health from the University of Michigan and was a full professor of medicine at Texas A&M College of Medicine in Dallas.

Dr. McCullough is one of the top five most-published medical researchers with papers in more than 1,000 publications including the New England Journal of Medicine, Journal of the American Medical Association, Lancet, and the British Medical Journal. He is also the editor-in-chief of Reviews in Cardiovascular Medicine and senior associate editor of the American Journal of Cardiology.

I spoke with Dr. McCullough about how he has been treated since speaking out about COVID-19 and how many institutions where he formally held prestigious roles have dismissed him without any due process or even a courtesy phone call.

Dr. McCullough mentions the “cloud of fear” that hit many organizations when COVID-19 first came about, which created a new system of powers and a very specific narrative that was not open for discussion or debate. There was suddenly a top-down approach that has over time demonstrated more failure than success.

We discuss the Omicron outbreak and how this variant is breaking through natural and vaccine immunity, and how England’s response has been to drop all pandemic restrictions in what appears to be an admission of defeat.

We discuss the disappointment felt by people who took the vaccines and did what they were asked to do but still got COVID-19 anyway. And we look at the phenomenon of vaccinated people who got COVID-19 but believe, with no real evidence, that they would be worse off if they hadn’t been vaccinated.

We also look at the overwhelming sense of fear that the pandemic caused and how vaccination rates in the US plummeted in April 2021 when people started to witness others dying following mass vaccination. Then the mandates were implemented to coerce people into taking the vaccines and the fear escalated to job loss and not being able to survive financially.

There has also been a resistance to talking about the vaccines in a critical light especially in mainstream media or social media, and the notion of the vaccines potentially causing harm is immediately shut down. Dr. McCullough points out the actuarial data coming from the insurance industry that is reporting a 40 percent excess in mortality among ages 18 to 49, which is reflective of all-cause mortality. There is also now an abundance of peer-reviewed publications on various adverse reactions including myocarditis, neurological syndromes and immune syndrome thrombosis.

We discuss what Dr. McCullough describes as unqualified and incompetent people in leadership positions at the larger public health institutions who are making the decisions and who rarely, if ever, quote data or evidence to support their statements.

Dr. McCullough touches on the ominous messaging coming from the American president and his literal command to get vaccinated, which is reflective of a paradigm shift in western democracies whereby lawmakers are now enforcing procedures that should be a matter of personal medical choice.

We examine how science evolves and how, for example, it became apparent that one could get COVID-19 a second time even with natural immunity. We also look at what the potential risks are to being wrong about early treatment for COVID-19 or to being wrong about the vaccines for both sides of the debate, and the moral hazard of forcing someone to take an experimental vaccine.

Dr. McCullough also touches on the many heroic individuals who have spoken out and who are supporting doctors and the civil rights and freedoms of people.

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Dr. Julie Ponesse

Dr. Julie Ponesse


Dr. Julie Ponesse is the Ethics Scholar for The Democracy Fund and author of the new book: My Choice: The Ethical Case Against Covid19 Vaccine Mandates. Dr. Ponesse's focus is on educating Canadians about civil liberties.

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